posted 12-13-2000 09:47 AM               

I believe that the level editor is worth a lot more than was charged! (even though UK charges more than most). Look at all the effort in the games (individually). Tombraider was unique in it's design when it was realeased - I spent days wishing I could create my own levels.

I take nothing away from the TReditor, which was created by an obviously talented person - unfortunately it took a while to learn how to use this properly, whereas the Core/Eidos version took no longer that an hour to learn basically how to create a full level.

I also believe that this version also gives us the insight into the work that goes on at Core/Eidos (all beit only in game production). They may not have given us wad editor or other tools, but whos to say that they will not in the future (Give them a little time!).

Remember these games were not just produced a single solitary person it took a team. This program had to be adapted to allow single users, who don't get paid to do this work over countless hours and months.

Why do people give them such a hard, would it not be more prudent to suggest things that could be done or added to augment an already powerful tool?

No matter the amount of complaining will force Core/Eidos to bend - however suggestions might give rise to new ideas that they may not have already thought of!

Don't get me wrong I would love new wads and tools as much as anyone, but I don't believe anyone in this forum fully knows the ins and outs of this current level editor!

I know there are problems with some of the components, but what software doesn't? (Windows etc...). But remember that later versions were always released in an attempt to rid the program of some of the bugs (might I stress not within days of people finding these bugs!)

posted 12-14-2000 02:42 PM               

As an example, I wrote an application to manage the texture mapping in a game using texture just like TR.

Texture mapping is telling the game where to put *that* texture in a document it understands.

Would you believe two month, every night (after work) to midnight, every week ends at twelve to fifteen hours a day?

It would have been finished in a third of the time but I took the trouble to make it usable, with buttons and nO Runtime error.

posted 12-14-2000 03:47 PM               

What I was trying to say is that these things take time and effort (not just the cost of the individual packages used!)

I agree with number6, I have had a dabble in games programming (it took me ages to just write a simple set of code, then debug all of the errors). If you want an idea what games programming is like (and you have visual c++) try downloading the Hexen & Heretic source code and browse a little!!