posted 05-01-2001 05:06 PM               

first, sorry for my bad english but it is very important to let you know, whats going on in germany

selling of selfmade levels at ebay.de

at the german ebay we found a game CD called Tomb Raider - Die Chronik (Part 2). There are 170 levels available on the CD.
nearly all (or all) levels are downloaded from the web and put on these CDs. the price is about $10
in the german forum we are discussing this problem. the link to the thread is http://www.maxupport.net/eidos/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=48&t=000580&p=

if you like to have a look at ebay, here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234357864

the license agreement says:
...
Your levels must be distributed free of charge. Neither you nor anyone else
may sell, rent, lease or commercially exploit these levels in any way.

When you publicly distribute your level you automatically grant Core Design
Ltd. and/or Eidos Interactive the perpetual, royalty free right to use, modify,
license and distribute your level in any way we choose.
....

what do you say, is that right?

posted 05-01-2001 06:45 PM               

I am sure people will understand what you are saying Torry.

But does that $10 also include, for instance, the electricity bill, the time spent on downloading the levels, time spent on burning the level, time spent on conveying the goods to the nearest post office, cost towards the money spent on buying a computer, a CDR burner, and so on..........

The packaging is one thing. The equipment used as well as the labor and the time factor is another on top of that!

Wot do others got to say then?

I know of people who do get free stamps, free blank CDs, etc....

Just a thought ...

posted 05-01-2001 10:53 PM               

a black CD does not cost more than $0,5. they just sell the CD by auction it.
the $10 are the minimum they want to have. the dispatch is extra.

so if you sell more than one CD you will earn money. but not only this fact i am angry, it the fact, that they take the level out of the web and do not ask anyone for doing that. secondly the license agreement says that no sell, rent, lease or commercially exploit these levels is allowed. so downloading or exchange levels between friends on CD is ok.

that what they do is not ok!

we will do something against that.

posted 05-01-2001 10:56 PM               

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posted 05-01-2001 11:19 PM            

Then I agree with you guyz. He is profiting om YOUR work and this should be challenged.

posted 05-01-2001 11:25 PM               

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Bei "Tomb Raider-die Chronik (Part 2)" handelt es sich um 2 CDs mit sage und schreibe 170 Levels für "Tomb Raider-die Chronik".
Die meisten Levels beinhalten eine Story und werden sogar durch Zwischenlevels aufgeteilt - so werden aus 170 Levels locker über 200 Levels!
Alle Levels sind sehr detailliert dargestellt und qualitativ sehr hochwertig! Fast denkt man, man würde den 6ten Teil der Tomb Raider-Saga spielen!
Hier die Levels im einzelnen:
A
Abandoned City
Abandoned Village
Alexanders tomb
Alien Artefact
Amsterdam
ANDEN-Nebelwald (Ecuador)
Anzio Nero's Domus
Area 56
B
Base Near the Ruins
BetweenTheSpace
Behind the Warp Gate
Beneath the forbidden City
Blue in the blue
Break Out
Burning Library
C
Caesars Palace
Catacomb Towers
Catacombs Sample Level
Catacombs of the Lost
Caves of Amun
Cave Village
Circle Tomb
City of Ptah (Triad of Memphis)
Cleopatra's other Palace
Companys Complex
Crash in the Highlands
Crypt Entrance
Crypt of Queen Elahna
Crystal Ice Palacet
D
Dark Fall
Dark Jungel
Das Reich des Ramses
Der Palast des Menes
Der vergessene Tempel von Abu Roasch
Desert Dam
Die Tür des Windes (La Porta Del Vento; The Door of the Wind)
Don't Look Down
E
El diamante Perdido
End in Failure
Escape from the Tomb
Escape with the Amulet of Horus
Escapee
Extravaganza Level
F
Fire and Ice
First Full Level by UFO (Warp gate / Coastal Level)
Forgotten Graves
Free the King
G
GameSpy Headquarters
Garden of a Twin Arch Bridge
Gateway to Menouthis
Genova Principe
Gonzo's Level
Goodbye Lara!
Guardian of the Sphinx
H Hamunaptra
Helmut / Temple of Karnak
Horseman's Headquarters
Hunt for 5 Artefacts
I Ice Desert
Ice Pyramid
In der großen Pyramide / TOMB RAIDER Ressurection: Level 1
Infiltration
J Jackson Pollock's Puzzle
John's Level
Jump like an Agyptian
Jungle Falls
K Kamifukuoka Lab
Kevin - Tutorial Level
Kevin - Settomb Level
Kevin - Karnak Level
L Lara to the Rescue
Lara's Adventure in Wonderland: Big Chamber
Lara's Home
Lara's House
Lara's Return
Lara's Tomb - Old Haunts
Level 01
Level One / Tokyo, Studio Ummo
Lilkid's Level
Little City
Lost Oasis
M Menkaure's Pyramid at Giza
Mysterious Underground City
N
Necro's Domain
Not so dark Jungel
Nuclear Attack
O P
Palace of Anubis
Palace of Cyrus
Palace of the four Kings
Psychedelic Caverns (Kevin - Tutorial Level)
Q
Quest for Golden Lara
R
Return for the Amulet
Return to Alexandria
Return to Venice-Leandro Dubost
Return to Venice-pwhirl
River of the Sacred Beetle
Rückkehr nach Tinnos (RITORNO A TINNOS)
Rückkehr zu Tutmosis
Run Lara Run
S
San Georgio
SAS Stakeout
Scarabinth
Schottland: Das Mysterium der großen Pyramide (IN SCOZIA: IL MISTERO DELLA PIRAMIDE, Scotland: The Mystery of the Pyramid)
Secret Operation
Seven Islands
Silent Oasis
St. Turisas
Star of Amilha
Surouths Five Skulls
T
Tarragona: World Heritage
Tempel der Finsternis
Temple of Ash
Temple of Haremhab
Temple of Jazimiya
Temple of Karnos
Temple of Merenptah
Temple Of Re (The Lost Temple of Re, The lost Tomb of Re)
Temple of Shabaka
Tempel of Taurus
Temple of Uranos
The 12 Gates of Duat: The Underworld
The Big Library
The Castle
The Croft Estate
The Doom Temples (Kevin-Karnak Level)
The Gates of Ishtah
The Ice Pyramid (Verner)
The Iron Horse
The Lost Compass
The Queens Secret
The Scotish Ruin
The Sewer (Kevin-Settomb Level)
The S.S. McGreer
Tomb of Gustav Klimt
Tomb of Nelomgals
Tomb of Okata
Tomb of Queen Fufutiti
Tomb of Roac
Tomb Survivor
Train (from Goldeneye N64)
Train V2.0 (from Goldeneye N64)
Trapped
Trench
Tricks and Traps
Tut Ankh Amuns Legacy
Tyron Palace
U
Ultimate Test
Underground Organisation (Secret Org)
V
Verschollen
Volki (Kurzlevel)
W
Water Library
Water Temple
X Y
Young Lara's Home
Demos:
Frozen in Time (Demo)
Arctic Demo
Demo Heroic Manliness
Demo Lost Tomb of Ormaez
Demo Triad of Thebes
Demo UFO
Demo pwhirl
The Journey (Demo)
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Achtung! Für dieses Add-On-Set wird die Vollversion von "Tomb Raider-die Chronik" benötigt!
Installationsanleitung leigt bei!
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@GoranAgar
hallo, ich habe garnicht bemerkt, du bist moderator; wir sind die "stamm crew" aus dem deutschen forum. der link steht oben.
einige levelbauer wie webknight, ufo, helmut, volki sind dabei, die ich kenne. eventuell auch mein haus level. ich habe die CD nicht. deswegen kann ich das nicht sagen.
wir haben vor eidos und ebay zu mailen.
ich wollte nur auch hier bescheid geben, falls eine mailing aktion notwendig wird.
die größte sauerei ist, daß die lizenz das ausdrücklich untersagt! @GoranAgar if you can not read this i will translate it later.

posted 05-01-2001 11:53 PM               

wenn Ihr selbst direkten Kontakt zu Eidos habt würde ich vorschlagen daß Ihr diese Kontakte nutzt und diese Info weitergebt. Ansonsten gebe ich das an RedLegg (Administrator hier) weiter. Es bringt nur nichts wenn 5 Leute bei Eidos die gleiche Info bekommen und anfangen Tätig zu werden. Was Ebay angeht würde ich das Eidos überlassen.

Also, was sagst Du?

posted 05-02-2001 04:23 AM               

its easier to write in your motherlanguage

two posts above i write the list of level which are on the CD

the german text says:
"Tomb Raider the Chronic (Part2)" are 2 CD´s with 170 level for "Tomb Raider the Chronic".
Most level including a story and partly with camera sqeuences so that more than 200 levels are available.
All levels are explaint in details and the levels be in a high quality. You thing that you are playing the 6th part of the tomb raider saga.

now the list of levels follows

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caution! this add-one set is only for the TRC licensed full version. Installatiosguide is included.
************************************************************

next posting of GoranAgar
he was asking me, who are "we"
i told him, that we are the "basic crew" in the german forum and the members are webKnight, ufo, volki, and some more. he also asks what we are going to, if we have contact to eidos and so on.

now GoranAgar try to contact some eidos members. we just wainting for an answer.

note: the translation is not word by word its the drift of what we posted.

cu, gerhard

[This message has been edited by ags (edited 05-02-2001).]

posted 05-02-2001 05:03 AM               

most actions about CDs are done in the german forum at the moment. if i have news i will post it.

posted 05-02-2001 05:15 AM               

Uhm, sorry about the german post of mine

I just asked if the members of the german forum have any person they could contact at Eidos or if i should do it.

posted 05-02-2001 06:15 AM               

please post in english

@GoranAgar hope we get an answer soon.

posted 05-02-2001 10:40 AM               

good new, eidos has return a message. its GoranAgar part to tell you the news.

posted 05-02-2001 11:43 AM               

I, for one, am glad to see some feedback here.

If someone decided to supply people with copies of TR custom levels burnt onto CDs, then the customers wishing to receive such copies should provide with the blank CD and stamps!

The supplier should also make sure he/she gets the consent from the people who have put time into creating their levels.

Copier des jeux videos sur CD est une chose. Les vendre, s'appelle piraterie.

And by the way, to send a CD from UK to USA, costs me:

• 91 pence in postage
  
• 30 pence for an envelope
  
• 40 pence per blank CD
  

TOTAL:£1.61 which roughly works out: $2.30 (£1=$0.70)

posted 05-02-2001 03:39 PM               

first i have to say: thanks, GoranAgar. he send the mail to his "boss"

here is the answer:

I have reported the auctions to Ebay. Ebay is very serious about helping IP owners protect their property, as are we. If you, or any other member, finds similar IP violations in the future, please do not hesitate to notify me or one of your moderators. Please note that it may take a day or two to process these submissions.

Addtionally, I have notified our legal department of this situation.

Regards,

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RedLegg41
Forum Admin
Eidos Interactive

ok, i think, that´s enough at the moment. in germany we will have a look at ebay. if we recognize some problemes, i will start a new thread to inform you what´s going on.
i think we have to look at other electronic marked outside of germany. may be that somebody will offer an other CD ?!

hope, that you are satisfied at the moment

posted 05-03-2001 12:19 AM               

- it seems for now that he will manage to sell 4 of these CDs on eBay for about US$10, which assuming we have about 80 Authors represented on the CD will earn you 50 cent if he does not keep anything for himself
- it would be illegal for us (as it is for him) to make any money out of it!!

I have sent the guy/company a personal eMail requesting that he withdraws his eBay offers as this is plainly illegal. If he does not do this I am considering legal action against him (after checking how much of a hassle this would be to carry through for me)

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HAPPY RAIDING!
Michael.

posted 05-03-2001 12:27 AM               

As a matter of eBay policy, software on CD-R (including CD-RW) may not be listed on eBay, unless the seller is the copyright owner and states this in the item description. This means that, among other things, compilations (e.g., multiple software programs on one disk), "freeware" and "shareware" on CD-R may not be listed on eBay. This policy also means that even lawful software on CD-R is not permitted on eBay. This following situation illustrates how this might arise.
Example: An individual or small software company decides to release its software on CD-R. The software company sells the software on CD-R on eBay to Jack. This is permissible because the software company is the copyright owner of the software. Jack now wants to resell the software on CD-R on eBay. The software on CD-R is "lawful software," but Jack (or anyone other than the software company) is not permitted to list this item on eBay.

posted 05-03-2001 01:21 AM               

it was funny to read your comment, $0,50 for each of the level designer

posted 05-03-2001 01:28 AM               

quote:

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Originally posted by RedLegg41:
I have reported the auctions to Ebay. Ebay is very serious about helping IP owners protect their property, as are we. If you, or any other member, finds similar IP violations in the future, please do not hesitate to notify me or one of your moderators. Please note that it may take a day or two to process these submissions.

Addtionally, I have notified our legal department of this situation.

Regards,
RedLegg41

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posted 05-03-2001 02:59 AM               

the autions at ebay are closed. every offer is withdraw :jump:

thanks to GoranAgar and RegLegg. good work