posted 06-04-2001 06:17 PM               

#1. To all you aspiring young level builders out there, a tip for building rooms: LESS IS MORE! I really don't like it when I'm playing a level, and I walk into a room 50 clicks high, 18x18 with badly stretched textures (a room supposed to look like an ancient temple!). Please, cut down on the size of your rooms. They may look great in the Level Editor, but remember that in game they look horrible!

#2. For everyone who love to edit those script files: STOP IT! If there is one thing that I can't STAND is downloading a level, having to put the wads where they are, and edit and replace the script files! It gets really annoying after a while when you go back to your game expecting to play a new level (different from the one with the altered scripts) and you only find ONE custom level!

#3: Specifically aimed at a particular website: Your EZ installer isn't that easy. I installed one of your levels, and couldn't find the bloody .tom files and .was files for the sake of me! And I DON'T appreciate it when a new directory is made in my TRLE file.

#4: NO MORE EGYPTIAN AND ROMAN LEVELS! Sheesh, I know that there are some EXCELLENT levels out there that have Roman and Egyptian themes, but it's just getting really really old now!

#5: Better puzzles! I recently just played a level where there was no objective. No puzzles, no traps! NOTHING! It was just climb on this, swim through that, switch this, slide down that....DONE! Please, put some thought into your levels!

Sorry if this message sounded harsh, I just had to vent....

(PS. Post your other pet peeves here)

posted 06-04-2001 06:48 PM               

Like, chill out. The 'beginners' out there testing their legs need some gentle encouragement! There are lots of folks out there with potential that needs only a little coaching to get them really "THERE!"

(stepping up onto the soapbox)

As for the remainder of your comments; point taken, but relax a little. Actually, I like a little creativity; The horseman's gem gets old fast; The Crystal of Lyricy or the Old Man's Blue Eye might be nice once in a while. Some work is need on 'install, play, and restor' for those out there who like their PC 'restored' after the game, but it's a large community and change takes time.

(stepping off the soapbox)

Happy raiding, dudes!

posted 06-04-2001 06:51 PM               

Ah well

posted 06-04-2001 07:25 PM               

1) Flyby that is LOOOOONG or SLOOOOOW or twists and turns at wierd angles, or ends up inside a wall somewhere.

2) Levels so hard you can't finish them without cheating. In fact, if you can't get through without a walkthrough, it is probably too hard. Challenge is good, but you should be able to figure out what to do next if you snoop around awhile.

3) Fixed cameras suck!!!!!

4) Did I mention fixed cameras suck?

5) And finally, fixed cameras suck.

OK, I'm done.

posted 06-05-2001 01:39 AM            

Well, I think that is just stifling the authors creativity.

#2. For everyone who love to edit those script files: STOP IT! If there is one thing that I can't STAND is downloading a level, having to put the wads where they are, and edit and replace the script files! It gets really annoying after a while when you go back to your game expecting to play a new level (different from the one with the altered scripts) and you only find ONE custom level!

Agree. At least give us the other levels that the .dat files had as well as your new one.

#3: Specifically aimed at a particular website: Your EZ installer isn't that easy. I installed one of your levels, and couldn't find the bloody .tom files and .was files for the sake of me! And I DON'T appreciate it when a new directory is made in my TRLE file.

I don't know which installer you are referring too but I agree, give the option to download with or without the installer. Some of us really do know how to install these things, lol.

#4: NO MORE EGYPTIAN AND ROMAN LEVELS! Sheesh, I know that there are some EXCELLENT levels out there that have Roman and Egyptian themes, but it's just getting really really old now!

Right on!!!

#5: Better puzzles! I recently just played a level where there was no objective. No puzzles, no traps! NOTHING! It was just climb on this, swim through that, switch this, slide down that....DONE! Please, put some thought into your levels!

Yeah but some of 'em go overboard with their puzzles. You need a quantum physics degree to work out what you are supposed to do. So, a happy medium, eh guyz?

posted 06-05-2001 05:44 AM               

As the guy who wrote the EZ Installer I thought I should reply.

It gives you an option to install using WinZip for those of us who find installing levels manually preferable just click on Run Winzip to open the files in the exe.

As for creating new directories, if you specify exactly where your trle folder is it will only copy the files contained the the exe into the respective folders that already exist in your folder tree...as long as you specify the path properly.

This app was done for ppl who find it hard to install levels, use the Run WinZip option if you would rather.

Col

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posted 06-05-2001 06:03 AM            

Col, sorry buddy, *smooch*

posted 06-05-2001 02:12 PM            

Correct me if I am wrong because I don't know alot about available downloadable objects, but arn't the majority of objects egyptian...so sure you could do other stuff, but you would have egyptian objects...

I also agree alot about the oversized rooms comment... and the thing that gets me the most is overstreched textures! ahhh.

just a couple of my commnets...

posted 06-05-2001 02:17 PM            

Cameras & Flipmaps
1. Give some kind of clue what happened during a flipmap or pulling a switch.

posted 06-05-2001 02:41 PM               

2. Sorry but it`s necessary. For various reasons. Back up your script.dat, english.dat and strings.h and copy them back after. Blame Core!

4. Again blame Core! Customised non Egyptian levels are a lot..A LOT..more work. Go easy!

5. Well to me the puzzle element is everything. A level has to be tough, fun and playable! Gotta be worth the player downloading!

What about peeves with the actual editor though? Like...

1. The way it crashes when you swap from one project to another!

2. Why my mouse wheel won`t scroll the menus!

3. The way textures are changed when you place a light bulb.

4. The "manual"

5. The way it opens auto save prj files unless you quit from the menu.

There must be others!!

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posted 06-05-2001 10:41 PM               

2. You move between mouse button and wheel while in a menu? Easier for me to move the mouse a fraction of an inch, instead of taking my finger off the button.

3. Haven't gotten that far in my map yet, so I don't know about it.

4. The manual is pretty good as a tutorial, which is what is really is. It is missing alot of little details, like developer insider knowledge, little quirks and stuff. But it was not meant to be a reference.

5. Yeah, that one really bugs me. Just delete the autosave.prj and it goes away. It only gets created again if the editor comes down abnormally for some reason.

After having used the Duke Nukem 3D map editor, this one is pretty easy to use for all the features it has. I suspect it is a DOS program, because it doesn't seem to use the Windows GUI. Like my one real peeve with the editor --

1. Typing a room name, if your fingers aren't lightning fast, you get double keystrokes.

They are obviously doing their own key management, including repeat rate. I really think this is a DOS program, no matter what it looks like.

posted 06-06-2001 11:04 AM               

2. I don`t move between button and wheel at all!! I use three fingers! Index on left button, middle on wheel and fourth on right button!! Maybe it`s the musician in me

3. You will!

4. The manual is OK as a basic tutorial but it lacks some vital info and is actually flawed in many bits.

5. Yes I always delete the auto prj.

I hate the room name thing too. I never name rooms I just leave the numbers. Plus if you want over 100 rooms you cant name them anyway. You get a CRASH!

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posted 06-06-2001 04:01 PM               

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