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JEFF CONWELL
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posted 08-15-2001 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JEFF CONWELL   Click Here to Email JEFF CONWELL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a level that i have been working on for about 3-4 mounths i am to my stoping point. now i have ran in to a major problem.
when i out put the wad it has no problems.
when i tom 2 pc it i seem to have no problem.
but when i start to play the game it works, until i begen to move lara, then the game freezes. can someone plese help me.

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dhama
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posted 08-15-2001 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhama   Click Here to Email dhama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jeff, What changes have you made since you last run the level successfully?

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Alexis Rombaut
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posted 08-15-2001 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alexis Rombaut   Click Here to Email Alexis Rombaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can be the size of your level, I have encouterd similar problems, I solved it by splitting the level in 2 parts and using dynamical finish triggers.

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JEFF CONWELL
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posted 08-15-2001 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JEFF CONWELL   Click Here to Email JEFF CONWELL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dhama,I added a couple of things. But that don't matter.Cause I am an advid saver. I save all my prj. over and over again under different dates & times. I have went back atleast six or more saves that were tested.
And they dont work. And Alexis, for the size of my level. I don't know. The only thing I can do is give all the info that the level converter gives me when I convert the level. And if you need that just let me know. And the idea of spliting the level is not good for me, because it would not look good for the level. It is based on a confined prison setting. Please help me. Thank You

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Emma P
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posted 08-15-2001 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emma P   Click Here to Email Emma P     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you made any changes to the wad in any way? It sounds like you may have taken out some of her animations which would explain why the game freezes. In any case, it sounds like the game is looking for animations that simply aren't there so it crashes instead. Compare your wad with one of the originals and make sure that all the required animations are there.

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dhama
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posted 08-15-2001 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhama   Click Here to Email dhama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other things that you could try...

1. Run direct x diagnostic app that is in C:\program files\directx\ to see if there is any problem.
2. Check your scripts (if you've changed anything in them)
3. Try re-installing the editor.

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Brad Casali
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posted 08-15-2001 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad Casali   Click Here to Email Brad Casali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try adding the default sprites from an offical WAD. That might help it.

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Vivi_Ornitier
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posted 08-15-2001 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vivi_Ornitier   Click Here to Email Vivi_Ornitier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does you level include the guide or Von Croy?

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JEFF CONWELL
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posted 08-16-2001 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JEFF CONWELL   Click Here to Email JEFF CONWELL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry it took me awile to get back. I have been testing my saves. I have finaly found one that works. one problem, it realy shuggs in game when a major annimation is being preformed by lara or a sas or even the darn dog is triggered. Here is somthing else to look at. If I go back one save the shugging is not so bad. The further back the better. The problem may be that it is to large of a level. I don't know what is to big though. My level dosn't have guide or Von Croy in it. The default sprites thing is a joke. I have ran the direct x tool, and all is perfect. I have not changed the script seens day 1 of the start. And I re-installed the editor at least 5 or more times. And as for the WAD it is my own costom WAD with trwest2. I changed it 1 time and it still worked for a month or more. All I changed was her outfit to a custom outfit from the new city WAD. If you need any info on my pc or level info just ask. I will check back in a couble of hours. Because now I am at a stand still. Thank you all for your input at this time. But please help me more........

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Driber_IF
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posted 08-17-2001 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Driber_IF   Click Here to Email Driber_IF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
reading this sounds most likely to be a size limit you crossed, as others mentioned
convert your level and make screenshots of tomb2pc output (you can scroll back when the conversion is complete)

just ask here if you need help on posting the screenshots or take some more time and write the output in a reply

I know that some people have had these size limit problems before, so a trained eye could spott your problem

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JEFF CONWELL
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posted 08-17-2001 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JEFF CONWELL   Click Here to Email JEFF CONWELL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diber Here is the output from the converter:


***Build All Begain***
Converting C:\program files\core desing\ trle/graphics\wads\level2.tom
room tex infos: 132
done sprite remap (17)
object meshes:680 null:247
using specific level sky textures:2
outputing uncompressed level c:\program files\core design\trle\data\level2.lev
number rooms:183
possible unused room textures:2
nanimranges= 1,nranges=2 nuvranges 2
textures 2816
2d map 26212
ai stuff 8
text infos 2816 transparnt 211
maximum room vertices 1073
maximum object vertices 148
conversion complete-well nearly...:0)
reprocess data-pc specific
open c:\program files\core design\trle\data\level2.lev
alloc file buffer 7221474
found 17 texture pages
found 37 sprite infos
found 2816 texture infos
processing textures
rtpages 7 bmtpages 0 otpages 11
compressing to c:\program files\core design\trle\data\level2.tr4
adding samples
***build all complete***


If this can help in any way just let me know.
thanks alot

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Wee Bald Man
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posted 08-17-2001 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wee Bald Man   Click Here to Email Wee Bald Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jeff,

I agree with Alexis and Driber - it looks like a size problem. Compare the amount of Object Meshes and Null meshes with Angkor Wat level by Core. You have nearly double the amount (!). Also look at your room numbers, although it is possible to pass the 200 mark, again none of Core's level do this. I suggest that you do a test:

1) Save your PRJ file as 'Test' or whatever (make sure you do not delete your original PRJ file!)

2) Delete half, or even just a few of the rooms, and output again.

If it runs smoothly then you'll have to think about splitting your level.

Hope this helps.

WBM

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JEFF CONWELL
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posted 08-19-2001 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JEFF CONWELL   Click Here to Email JEFF CONWELL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To all that helped me in this time fo need.
THANK YOU..............................


But it didn't help, sorry.........

I fixed it on my own, come to find out it was no problem of anything you would have thought. I came to find out it was the last room I made. I had maxed out the lights.....
Ha ha ha, can you belive that. But Thankyou all.........

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Driber_IF
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posted 08-20-2001 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Driber_IF   Click Here to Email Driber_IF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and another thing we learned!
maybe one for the FAQ?

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