posted 10-05-2001 09:11 PM            

This way you can edit your Tr4 room geometry in a CAD program like Rhino and build geometry for your room never posible with the editor.

Get the "Strpix3" for Rooms program called RVIEW 4.5, with support for Tr1, Tr2, Tr3, Tr4 and TR5 levels.

http://home.acadia.net/userpages/vagrant/progra.html

Hope you like it.

posted 10-05-2001 09:32 PM               

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Levels.Wads.Tools.Sites.Stuff

posted 10-05-2001 11:57 PM               

Hmmm...just read what I had before and it seemed a little condescending even to me. Sorry about that.

Technically, the editor isn't even a requirement. If you were a sadist, you could create the levels by hand with a hex editor. The LE just makes it easier to create the levels in the format the engine requires. Once you understand the role of the LE you can see why you can't violate the rules programmed into tomb4.

posted 10-06-2001 05:19 AM               

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posted 10-06-2001 05:28 AM               

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Originally posted by trlestuff:
that is great... wouldnt there be collision problems thouh

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posted 10-06-2001 08:37 AM               

You are right, there is not any program from anybody that will expand the limits/rules for the tomb4 last revelation engine (tomb4.exe).

As Strpix3 users already know, the tomb raider objects (as same the rooms) is built using 2 separates things: The meshes (just how it look) data, and the solid/colision data. I am giving the way to export just the meshes.

I know that if you make drastic changes to the meshes, then the colision will be wrong, the idea is not to "built" a level using a CAD program, the idea is to make cheat and implement some visual geometry not posible for the default geometry from the editor.

Look the pic below:

Note the Pilars has some CAD edited geometry, giving a different "wide" to the towers and even some curved surfaces. (first seen in quake arena).

Of curse the colision in these pilars are wrong, but Lara will not fly and touche them!! right?

Another usefull trick:

How about if you put just a solid block in your room using the LE, then export the room to CAD program and change the block meshes and draw a object ( a statue for example), then the colision will be perfect! and noted that building static objects this way has a adventage: the colision and you are allowed to use more polygons (1500 vertices per room in this revision).

Think about it.

Turbo Pascal.

(pic is from a playable level from the vagrant)

posted 10-06-2001 08:46 AM               

simply what I neededddddddddd

please I cannot try this program until monday as I am expecting some new hardware, can you tell me if it works with this TRLE levels and if there are limits for the number of polygons?

then, if we can use with custom levels from TRLE, we can't open it anymore with the room editor, right?....

pleaseeee

I really can't wait until monday, I think I will become CRAZY, but anyhow THANKS TURBO PASCAL!!!!!

posted 10-06-2001 10:09 AM               

ps. is there anything u cant do?

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Levels.Wads.Tools.Sites.Stuff

posted 10-06-2001 10:39 AM               

This Rview revision:

- 1500 vertices per room.
- 2000 rectangles per room
- 1250 triangles per room.

This are Rview limits that i can expand if they are not enough, but i don;t know what are the tomb4.exe limits.

>This is freaking COOL...... turbo, i use >meta and the sizeing is realy hard... how >do i know what the right size is? and >another thing... after u make changes you >cant output again so u must make the >changes when your level is finished... is >there a way to fix this??????
>ps. is there anything u cant do?

Well, about the metasoquia scaling you use the same parameters that i gave for the control.

But i don;t recomend to use metasoquia, because all textures info are lost and you room will have not textures, you will have to put the textures again (using Rview).

Yes, the work will have to be donde when your level is finished (in TR4 file format),
however you can save your work in propetary Rview *.msh file format, then if your TR4 is rebuilt (using tombpc) just load the *.msh and your Rview work is back.

Turbo Pascal.

posted 10-06-2001 03:00 PM               

I did a quite sum and I need only a little bit more, but if you multiply only per 2 it is FANTASTIC....

WELL THANKS AGAIN, REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY THANKS

I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE HOW TO REALIZE SOME HARD ROOM for my next level and now I can do itttttttttttt!

you simply realized another dream of mine!!!

(well I hope I will be able when I will try this program with my new PC)

how can I thank you? I really need to do something to thank you, but I think the best thanking is to realize my best level I can create with the CAD!!!!

I will post a screenshot here when I will have my first try with a successful importing!!!!!

posted 10-06-2001 07:01 PM               

I remind that I cannot use it until monday, so I do not know... when I export a room objects are still there in the DXF and I can change them or not?

posted 10-06-2001 09:42 PM            

It count Only the meshes used for built the walls, floor and ceiling in the room, when you export the room to DXF only room meshes are exported, all items/objects on in (from a WAD) are not afected on any way, they are not exported, and can't be edited.

>I remind that I cannot use it until monday, >so I do not know... when I export a room >objects are still there in the DXF and I can >change them or not?

Objects in room (from a WAD) are not included
in the DXF, only the meshes for the room.

All your Items, triggers, lights etc are keeped in the room, just the geometry is changed.

But You can even build some objects using room polys, check this Lara's statue (built one year ago)
http://www.fairchild.0catch.com/ivy.html

posted 10-06-2001 10:50 PM            

The pic is from a playable TR3 level, me and my friends are able to do editing room geometry with a CAD program over a year ago. with newer rview now it can be done for Tr4 and TRC levels too. it realy work, beliabe me.

Turbo Pascal.

posted 10-06-2001 11:29 PM               

2-can i draw doors between two rooms using my cad program??

thank you very much

ZAHER ABBAS
THE KING OF TOMB RAIDER
ZAHER&LARA FOREVER

posted 10-07-2001 01:44 AM            

Remember that exporting-editing-importing a rooms DXF with Rview only changes HOW IT LOOKS, and all other data in the level, such as triggers, objects, collision, stays the same.

2-can i draw doors between two rooms using my cad program??

Yes off course, Rview can import any edited dxf file (as long as the .dxf meets Rviews dxf requirements) and replace it with the mesh in a room.

posted 10-07-2001 04:56 AM               

All your Items, triggers, lights etc are keeped in the room, just the geometry is changed."

so, it is completely good for me, more than I could EVER imagine.

Now this waiting until I have my new PC, is completely frustrating. But I am having many ideas during those hours

I knew we could use it to have "more objects in the level", but that is not the only way to use it

posted 10-08-2001 05:46 AM               

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Originally posted by Seth:
HELP! Mine isn't working! I load up tut1.tr4, and it freezes while it's loading some texture. Can ya help? This program looks absoulty coooool!!!!!!

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Ahem.......

posted 10-08-2001 09:39 AM               

well, it is realy hard to know why the program crash IN YOUR COMPURTER but...

If you are using ATI video card then in rview go to "help", "config" and choose "32 bit" for the opengl color bits buffer size.

if you are using a voodoo video card then select "24 bits".

Please, read the readme.txt file for more details about problems.

t.p.

posted 10-10-2001 06:32 AM               

well really woderful as I hoped....

but turbo double sided texture are not kept, and even transparent... and triagles are not goodly textured.... (same problem strpix3 had in its previous version)

then lights are not DIFFUSED correctly among next rooms....

I know how to fix the double sided problem but it the program had a way to keep that info, it would be great (even the transparent info, which I do not know how to create again once imported...)

Anyhow, turbo, it is completely GOOD for now I know I am asking for too much as I am a really hopeless perfectionist