posted 10-21-2001 11:27 AM               

I am trying to understand what the 'Heavy Switch' does. I have read the manual from many different angles and have even held it over a lightbulb in an effort to understand the secret behind this trigger.

I have searched the entire forum and it seems that no-one has ever used it (or known how to use it).

A grand prize of one month's admiration, adulation and worship from myself will be given to the first person who can explain the use of this trigger in plain English.

Thank you,

posted 10-21-2001 11:50 AM               

so how about Angkor Wat - Verner triggered a switch that turned off the spikes for Lara
that one could've been done with a heavy switch - it's a switch and it's triggered by something/someone other than Lara

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posted 10-21-2001 12:39 PM               

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Originally posted by Wee Bald Man:
I have read the manual from many different angles and have even held it over a lightbulb in an effort to understand the secret behind this trigger.

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Perhaps you are using an incorrect density lightbulb, however, I would assume that it is initiated in the same way as a heavy trigger, but I guess you have already attempted that form of action....

posted 10-21-2001 01:09 PM               

Unfortunately there is no 'Heavy Switch' at this point in the Angkor Wat prj..

Hi Data,

Yes, I have tried this and failed to get a result..

posted 10-21-2001 03:33 PM               

1) It is down to trial and error in order to find the programmable function, to which I believe may be an 'OCB' function, or,
2) It is just one of many functions that is not available to us in this incarnation of the Editor.

You have my sympathy on this Counsellor, however, I do believe that we should see this as a challange to overcome instead of an obstacle to be avoided.

posted 10-21-2001 03:57 PM               

Thank you for spending time trying to find out the answer to this mystery for me. I am hoping that the answer will not be Option 2: missing Editor function. However, I also hope it is not Option 1: 'trial and error' for, alas, unlike yourself, I am not immortal.

Your effort is much appreciated.

WBM

posted 10-22-2001 05:24 PM               

Not a clue as to what you are trying to do, but this should help.

Make sure to check the OCB settings of what is actually acting as the heavy-switch when you look, I am sure you will work it out. If not, post back!!!

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I WAS PRESSING THE DARN WALK BUTTON !!

CELTIC FOLLY 1-5

posted 10-22-2001 06:42 PM               

Thanks to you the mystery has been solved!

It appears that the 'Heavy Switch' is used to trigger events once a flame has been lit by Lara's burning torch..

As inchdix says, the settings for this are all within Room 55 of the Guardian of Sehmerket PRJ file. The OCB settings of the Flame_Emitter2 object have to be the same as the TCB for the 'Heavy Switch' trigger (placed below the Flame_Emitter2) which, in this case, has been instructed to trigger a door to open when two flames have been lit by Lara.

So, 30 days of worship, adoration, awe and admiration for inchdix!! Yay!

On your knees everybody.

Thanks inchdix!

WBM

posted 10-23-2001 07:31 AM               

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Originally posted by Mulf:
fine...now, this rather beats the question: what can a heavyswitch do that a plain honest heavytrigger can’t?

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The difference between a 'Heavy' trigger and a 'Heavy Switch' trigger is that a 'Heavy' trigger will be activated by ANY enemy or object (pushable, rolling ball etc) which passes over it; wheareas a 'Heavy Switch' will only activate an event when Lara has lit two or more flame_emitter2 objects (with split OCB settings) using her burning torch.

The reason that she can't activate just one flame is that the 'Heavy Switch' is activated by the OCB and TCB settings of the flame_emitter2 and the 'Heavy Switch' trigger itself. If all OCBs were set to on then the 'Heavy Switch' would immediately trigger itself and switch on the flame before Lara had 'switched' it herself by lighting the flames.

So they have to be split (between two or more flames) so that the flame_emitters will remain off until Lara lights them with her torch thereby 'switching' the 'Heavy Switch' trigger to 'on' and activating an external event.

I have created a room which demonstrates this. In this room, if the 'Heavy Switch' trigger beneath one of the flame_emitters had been set using a 'Heavy' trigger then the baddie who appears in this room would trigger the flame to light by itself. If the trigger is a 'Heavy Switch', then the baddie has no effect on the flame emitter when he runs beneath it.

I am happy to send this test room to anyone who wants it.

WBM

posted 10-23-2001 01:56 PM               

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Originally posted by Suzie Croft:
Ohhh me me me. Maybe then I will fathom what tis for... ?

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posted 10-23-2001 03:27 PM               

Trouble is, so many of us have gotten so far ahead of ourselves, creating new objects, ripping WADS etc, that we are missing too many of the basics that are right in front of us!!!!!

Though core have only supplied pretty general info with the TRLE, There is a wealth of stuff there, just begging to be found...... I suggest we use it!!!!

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posted 10-23-2001 04:46 PM               

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Originally posted by inchdix:
Trouble is, so many of us have gotten so far ahead of ourselves, creating new objects, ripping WADS etc, that we are missing too many of the basics that are right in front of us!!!!!

Though core have only supplied pretty general info with the TRLE, There is a wealth of stuff there, just begging to be found...... I suggest we use it!!!!

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I couldn't agree more.

If anyone finds another 'Heavy Switch' trigger in an original prj file supplied by Core please let me know.

Thanks.

posted 10-23-2001 04:58 PM               

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Originally posted by guardianofseth:
Hi! I think Heavy switch can be turned on and off with the same trigger, just like a switch! While Heavy Trigger can't be turned off (I think you can use the AntiHeavy Trigger, but I have never managed to do it).

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Hi guardianofseth,

Yes, this is helpful.

I think that you are right about the 'Heavy Switch' basically being a 'Heavy' trigger with a built-in on and off switch. I suspect that Lara's lighting of a torch is just one of many types of actions which are recognised by the 'Heavy Switch'.

It would appear that there is a wealth of new puzzles to be made if we included this trigger in our levels..

..as inchdix says, we can only backwards engineer what Core has given us in order to try and understand this rarely used trigger.

WBM