posted 10-27-2001 10:03 AM               

There are levels where some some rooms seem misplaced in the physical scenario, although when you play you almost canīt notice that.

For example, in Bartolli Hideout from TR2:

Remember when you enter the first big internal room with a guy shooting from a balcony? There is a side room to the left with shatterable windows and two dogs, where you can get a medipack (near the statues with blades). This side room is an "outside" room, and you can see the sky and horizon through its grated ceiling.
If you continue the level, later youīll get to that room where you need to push a block inside the fireplace to open your path (where you face two baddies and a dog). Well this room is located right on top of that outside room. For an architect point of view, this is very wrong and impossible! But the rooms are there, Iīm sure.
Question is - Why the fireplace rooms cannot be seen floating in the sky from the outside room below? Is it enough to texture the ceiling of an open area with transparent textures so you canīt see other rooms floating around it?
Iīve played custom levels with some areas where you can actually see parts of other rooms appearing in outside areas. Why it doesnīt happen in that TR2 level???

posted 10-27-2001 12:49 PM               

TR3 has many visual bugs. In Temple of Puna near one of those huge rolling balls, it possible to see that strange texture movement (like in the pit to the street in London).

Now that Iīm exploring original TR games again, looking for technical aspects, Iīve been noticing how poor the texture work is in some levels. It makes my levels look like a fine Picasso work! Well, it also explains the texture limit problems I usually have...

posted 10-27-2001 12:55 PM               

What I thought interesting about the Bartolli level case, is that when youīre in the open room and you look at the sky through the grates, you can clearly see the TR2 sky (and if you walk to the corners of the room you can see the top of the horizon), but you donīt see a thing about the rooms which are exactly above you (the ones with the fireplace block and baddies/dog)...

posted 10-27-2001 09:41 PM               

Thereīs a big ceiling chandelier in the room above, and a pair of big doors. I donīt think the doors could be seen from the room below but the chandelier certainly should appear, itīs in the middle of of the room. The room with the block also contains some wall candelabrums, but this room is located a bit to the side in relation to the open room below, so these couldnīt be seen anyway.

posted 10-28-2001 08:28 AM               

If you are going to make a replica, for example, you can just build the rooms as they are (and exactly where they are), and the game will run ok with the TR4 engine?

posted 10-30-2001 10:42 AM               

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Aktrekker,

posted 10-30-2001 11:16 AM               

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Originally posted by Phabius Phodes:
Is there any custom level out there where this situation was created for some reason?
(acidentally or on purpose?)

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Yes! And it was delibrate. It's in a level I have yet to release. Basically, I was trying to make a corridor through a water room that she could see out of into the water room. I wanted water on all four sides of the corridor and, for some reason, she kept falling through the floor into the water room below. The only way I could get it to work was to double all the necissary rooms, remove the water from the second room below, and overlap and connect where needed. It's a bit hard to explain, but it works and looks great!

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