posted 04-14-2002 09:07 AM               

Only Post Standard Limitations not what you wish we had
Ok now this Isn’t a bitching post, I want to create a List of ALL the Limitatioms their are within the Tomb Raider Level Editor and Popular Programs we use, and once we have the list we can push it to its Limits and get the very best out of the TRLE Also so newbies will know what to expect.

TRLE LIMITATIONS :

Tiles per Room : 20x20
Rooms per Level: 254
FlipMaps per Level: ??
Flybys per Level: 8 flyby sequences (0 through 7)
Flyby-cams per sequence: 32 (0 through 31)
Cameras per Level : 256 flyby cams (wich makes sense if you convert 256 back to the binary system )
Texture Tiles : 128 (64x64 tiles seems to be a safe number for a single TGA file)
Lights per Room : 32
Lights per Level : 768 (* Note 1)
Doors per Room : 20
Height position of a ceiling: 128
Depth position of a floor: -128
Objects per Room: 100
Objects per Level: 2000
Triggers per Room: Triggers per room is included in the Objects per room
Triggers per Level: 512
Polygons per object slot :255

*Note 1 Cameras, sinks, fog bulbs, sounds, and all lights count.
It appears that flame emitters also have some affect. They don't count toward the total, but during game play they will affect lighting)

Thanks to all that have posted in previous posts, The original list has been filled in very quickly and provide an excellent reference for Newbies and for those times when your level crashes and you don't know why

As this list has been filled pretty quickly (Please post any more numerical Limitations if you know) I would like to make a list of the Conversion;
Typical Output(City)

*** Build All Begin ***
Converting D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\graphics\wads\city.TOM
Room Tex Infos : 208
Done sprite remap [16]
Object Meshes:643 Null:234
Using Specific Level Sky Texture File
Outputing uncompressed level D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.lev
Number Rooms:209
Possible Unused Room Textures:19
nAnimRanges = 0, mRanges = 0 nUVRanges 0|
Textures 2627
2D Map 13708
AI Stuff6
Text Infos 2627 Transparent 126
Maximum Room Vertices 173
Maximum Object vertices 126
Conversion Complete - Well Nearly.... :0) ( such Core wit hahahaha )
Reprocess Data - PC Specific
Open D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.lev
Alloc File Buffer 6645616
Found 16 Texture Pages
Found 37 Sprite Infos
Found 2627 Texture Infos
Processing Textures
RTPages 7 BMTPages 0 0TPages 10
Compressing To D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.tr4
Adding Samples
*** Build All Complete ***

Now I Dont understand 1/2 of this let alone what its limitations are, but I think that if everyone of the limitations were pushed to the max in a level that something in the Output would be exceeded, please post If you Know

Also I want Limitations of The Most Popular programs Stripix etc

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posted 04-14-2002 11:32 AM               

I'm not 100% on this (oh come on) but I've experienced problems with more than 12 flipmaps in a single levels (some of them would flip, some would not, but only on occasions)

As for the conversion:
Room Tex Infos : 256 (obvious)
Done sprite remap [20] (DO NOT EXCEED THIS!!)
Object Meshes : (no clue) Null : (no clue)
Number Rooms:300 (maybe)
Textures (no clue)
2D Map (no clue, although I have exceeded the limit)
AI Stuff (no clue)
Text Infos (no clue) Transparent (no clue)
Maximum Room Vertices (no clue)
Maximum Object vertices (no clue)

posted 04-14-2002 11:49 AM               

*** Build All Begin ***
Converting D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\graphics\wads\city.TOM
Room Tex Infos : 208 (tells you how many texture of the level and texture objects)
Done sprite remap [16](tells you the animation)
Object Meshes:643 Null:234 (how many polygones in the level)
Using Specific Level Sky Texture File (tells you you have a horizon in your level)
Outputing uncompressed level D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.lev (compressing into tr4 file format)
Number Rooms:209
Possible Unused Room Textures:19
nAnimRanges = 0, mRanges = 0 nUVRanges 0|
Textures 2627 (tells you how many square texture you've used in a level)
2D Map 13708
AI Stuff6 (tells you how many artificial intelligence you've used in a level)
Text Infos 2627 Transparent 126
Maximum Room Vertices 173
Maximum Object vertices 126
Conversion Complete - Well Nearly.... :0) ( such Core wit hahahaha )
Reprocess Data - PC Specific
Open D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.lev
Alloc File Buffer 6645616
Found 16 Texture Pages (maximum 20 texture page [tells you how many texture of object and texture in each rooms you've used]
Found 37 Sprite Infos (tells you the animation and the objects and the texture)
Found 2627 Texture Infos
Processing Textures
RTPages 7 BMTPages 0 0TPages 10
Compressing To D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.tr4
Adding Samples
*** Build All Complete ***

that's what i know
DNF

posted 04-14-2002 12:36 PM               

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Originally posted by just/n:
Number Rooms:300 (maybe)
Maximum Object vertices (no clue)

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posted 04-14-2002 02:34 PM               

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posted 04-14-2002 09:12 PM               

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Using Specific Level Sky Texture File
* I've actually had this say "Sky Texture Not Specified Using Default", or words to that effect.

Outputing uncompressed level D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.lev
* This is the UNCOMPRESSED tr4 format file. (stated incorrectly by dnf raider)

Reprocess Data - PC Specific
* As apposed(sp) to PSX Specific. This, I assume, makes it so the PC version of the tr4.exe can handle the *.tr4 file.

Compressing To D:\Program Files\Core Design\trle\data\city.tr4
Adding Samples
* Compresses it to the final *.tr4 format for PC and tacks on the sounds.
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That's how I understand those lines (others I understood have already been stated). Feel free to correct me if you know I'm wrong.

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posted 04-15-2002 01:23 PM               

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Originally posted by Data:
I do not understand why you cannot take my word that the room limit is 255 since I have already stated that this was achieved by me in Castle Doomsday and I have also stated that tests over this limit proved conclusive that 255 was in fact the limit.

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posted 04-16-2002 03:13 AM               

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Originally posted by GokuZ:
Rooms per Level: 254

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this will make a more acurate text:

Rooms per Level: 255 (0 through 254)